Boy and Girl Wonders: An Interview with Mary Borsellino (Part One)

Robin didn’t start with Robin. Robin won’t end when Robin ends. In fact, it’s arguable that Robin’s already begun to move on from Robin.

In less smartypants language, what I mean is that the ingredients which were brought together to create the character of “Robin,” Batman’s red-and-green-and-gold-wearing sidekick, were ingredients which already shared numerous common elements. And once Robin could no longer embody these elements, other pop culture arose to take over the character’s place.

Or so goes the opening paragraphs of Mary Borsellino’s fascinating new work, Girl and Boy Wonders: Robin in Cultural Context. The self-published text, which can be downloaded here, explodes with new insights and information about Batman’s oft-neglected and marginalized sidekick, the kinds of information that could only come from a dedicated aca-fan. I will be honest that despite being a life-long Batman fan, I had never given that much consideration to Robin’s cultural origins, his contributions to the series, or his influence on our culture. Works like William Uricchio and Roberta Pearson’s The Many Lives of the Batman or Will Brooker’s Batman Unmasked have made significant contributions to our understanding of the mythology around the dark knight, but most of them given short shrift to his “old chum.” Borsellino argues that Robin’s marginalization, sometimes in response to homophobia, sometimes in response to a desire for a “more mature” caped crusader, is part of his message. The character has special appeal, she argues, for “those readers and viewers who are themselves marginalized.”

I checked in with Borsellino recently, asking her to share some of her insights with my readers.

This project emerged in part from your own very active involvement in Project Girl Wonder, which responded to what you saw as DC’s neglect of Stephanie Brown. Can you give us some background on this controversy? What were the issues involved? Why was this character so important to you? What was the outcome of the campaign?

Actually, Project Girl Wonder came about out of the project. I was so immersed in the potential meanings of all the stuff going on with Robin in comics, and so tuned in to the rapid decline of relevance with DC’s mandated interpretation of Robin. The idea of Stephanie Brown as Robin was so fresh and strange as a direction, but was handled so clumsily and with such obvious institutionalised sexism that it was pretty vile to witness, both as a cultural observer and as a fan who’s also a feminist.

Essentially, for those not familiar with the character or with Robin’s larger back story: when the second Robin, a boy named Jason, died, Batman created a memorial out of his costume in the Batcave. Stephanie was the fourth Robin, and her costume was different to the three boys who’d had it before her in that she sewed a red skirt for herself. Just a few months after her first issue as Robin was released, Stephanie was tortured to death with a power drill by a villain, and then died with Batman at her bedside.

The sexualised violence alone was pretty vomitous, but what made it so, so much worse for me was that Batman promptly forgot her. DC’s Editor in Chief had the gall to respond to questions of how her death would affect future stories by saying that her loss would continue to impact the stories of the heroes — how sick is that? Not only is the statement clearly untrue, since the comics were chugging along their merry way with no mention of her or her death, but it was also an example of the ingrained sexism of so much of our culture. Stephanie herself was a hero, and had been a hero for more than a decade’s worth of comics, but the Editor’s statement made it clear that he only thought of male characters as heroes, and the females as catalysts for those stories. It was a very clear example of the Women in Refrigerators trope, which has been a problem with superhero comics for far, far too long.

Long story short, I got together with a few like-minded comics fans and set out to petition DC Comics into giving Stephanie a memorial like Jason’s — to acknowledge that she was just as much a hero, and just as much Robin, as any of the boys. It made such a clear and striking image: a costume in a memorial case, just like Jason’s now-iconic one, but this time with a little

red skirt on it as well. We couldn’t have asked for a better logo for our cause.

We were lucky enough to have some invaluable help, both outside comics and inside. Shannon Cochran wrote a wonderful, in-depth article about the situation for Bitch magazine; we were a Yahoo site of the day; the webcomic Shortpacked ran a sharply funny strip about it all; and several comics writers working for DC — Geoff Johns and Grant Morrison, in particular — dropped references to the absence/potential presence of a memorial case for Stephanie into comics.

In the end, DC glossed it all over by having a storyline where Stephanie shows up, miraculously alive this whole time, and having the current Robin say to Batman “oh! you always knew she was alive! no wonder you never made her a memorial case!”. Despite the fact that stories in the interim had featured Stephanie’s death, autopsy, burial, and appearances as a spirit in the afterlife. Nope, Batman knew she was alive the whole time! Good job with the damage control there, DC.

Still, a live heroine’s better than a dead one any day, so I count the whole thing as a victory in the end.

Critics have written a fair amount about how Batman’s persona was inspired by earlier popular heroes, including Sherlock Holmes and the Douglas Fairbank’s version of Zorro. What popular figures helped to inform the initial conception of Robin?

Within comics, the most direct inspiration was Junior, who was Dick Tracy’s young offsider. Robin was the first time that boy helper figure was put into a superhero costume, but Junior was playing the detective’s assistant role years before, and screwing up in all the same ways Robin so often does, ending up as a hostage and things like that. More widely, you’ve gone halfway to answering your own question — Sherlock Holmes had Watson there, to listen to his theories and help solve the mysteries. The sidekick role has been around a long time, and provided the template for Robin’s role.

Culturally, the figure of the daredevil boy hero is an ancient one, dating back through epic literature of the middle ages to the statuary and myths of Greece and Rome. Robin just gave the archetype a new costume.

You suggest that the marginalization of Robin as a character has helped to make the sidekick a particularly potent point of reference for other groups who also feel marginalized. Explain.

The two examples I use in my book are queer fans and women, though I also know readers who’ve used this same framework for class and race. As a queer person, or a woman, or someone of a marginalised socio-economic background, or a non-Caucasian person, it’s often necessary to perform a negotiated reading on a text before there’s any way to identify with any character within it. Rather than being able to identify an obvious and overt avatar within the text, a viewer in such a position has to use cues and clues to find an equivalent through metaphor a lot of the time.

A recent example of this is Spock and Uhura in the new Star Trek movie. Uhura has always been vitally important as a role model to women of colour — even Martin Luther King Jr thought so. And she still fulfils that role in the new movie. The narrative themes of racial discrimination and of the conflicts which dual cultural heritage can bring with it are in the movie as well, but they’re not the story of Uhura, because Gene Roddenberry was committed to the idea of a future where the crew of a starship could be mixed-race without remark. The character who offers these is Spock: he’s the one with all the ‘outsider’ cues in his makeup, which I think goes part of the way to understanding why the recent Star Trek movie has seen a massive re-emergence of Kirk/Spock slash on the fannish landscape: female fans and those seeking a queer reading are drawn to that sense of marginalisation, of the ongoing fight to be recognised as present and worthy.

I got off-topic a bit there, sorry — my reason for bringing up Spock and Uhura was to demonstrate that ‘otherness’ as part of a character’s construction isn’t necessarily bound directly to traits such as race or gender. It can stand for them, but does so obliquely. And Robin, by being put down and rejected by wave after wave of commentators and creators, has

come to embody anything that’s been sidelined or disregarded, anything that’s rejected in the relentless quest to make Batman as heteronormatively masculine and dour as possible. Just as those who fight against personal discrimination can find an avatar in Spock, those who struggle to re-establish their voice in dialogues where they’ve been silenced can find an avatar in the way Robin is pushed out of the way by official texts.

Many know of the ways that DC has struggled with the homophobia surrounding the relationship between Batman and Robin. How has this concern shaped the deployment of Robin over time? Are there any signs that in an era of legalized gay marriage, our culture may be less anxious about these issues?

We also live in an age of Prop 8, alas. I live in Australia, and both Australia and America recently switched from a longstanding conservative leadership to a potentially more progressive government — but both Prime Minister Rudd and President Obama have gone on-record as saying that they believe marriage should be between a man and a woman. Progress hasn’t yet progressed as far as I’d like to see it go, frankly.

And I think DC Comics is an absolute trainwreck mess at this point, to be even more frank. You only have to look at All Star Batman and Robin, by Frank Miller and Jim Lee, to see what a disaster the company’s current concept of a flagship book is. The writing’s incredibly sloppy, sexist, homophobic, and unengaging. “That is so queer” is used by Robin as a slur.

Batman calls Robin “retarded” and declares himself “the goddamn Batman”. It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so awful.

It hasn’t always been that bad, of course, but right now it appears to me that DC is more anxious than ever about potential gay readings. And then there’s Christian Bale, who has stated outright that he’ll go on strike if anybody tries to incorporate Robin into the movie franchise. His Batman is so joyless that it’s no wonder everybody went starry-eyed for the Joker — the guy may be a psychopath, but at least he seems to know that running around Gotham City in a stupid outfit is meant to be fun.

You argue that Robin is in many ways a “transgender figure.” Explain.

Robin crosses all sorts of imposed gender boundaries, both literal and figurative. Carrie Kelley, for example, the young girl who becomes Robin in Frank Miller’s The Dark Knight Returns, is referred to by a news broadcaster as ‘the Boy Wonder’; she looks completely androgynous in-costume, and so is assumed to be a boy. Dick Grayson and Tim Drake both assume female identities to go undercover in numerous stories — Dick even played Bruce’s wife on one occasion back in the forties — and Stephanie Brown’s superhero identity before she became a Robin, the Spoiler, is thought to be a boy even by her own father.

Those are just the literal examples of gender transgression. There’re also a lot of background cultural cues coming into play, in the way the Robin costume looks, the way different backstories for the Robins are structured, and how sidekicks function in adventure narratives — all these elements work against the notion of pinning Robin down as definitively male or female as a character; the only classification which really fits is that of being constantly in-motion between options and unclassifiable.

Mary Borsellino is a freelance writer in Melbourne, Australia. She has published essays about subjects such as the shifting portrayals of Batman’s childhood family, a feminist critique of the TV show Supernatural, and gender in Neil Gaiman’s Sandman comics. She is currently working on a series of YA novels which will begin release later this year and which have been described as ‘Twilight for punks’. Mary is the Assistant Editor of the journal Australian Philanthropy.

Comments

  1. Thanks for the fresh perspective on the Dark Knight’s equally complex Robin character. As a kid I enjoyed following the exploits of the Batman and Robin. Then as a young man I enjoyed the dualistic ontology found so frequently in the series I came to see these qualities in all things related to my interaction with the world. Much like Herman Melville’s epic Moby Dick, the story line, symbolism, and multilayered subplots are a reflection of the times in which we live, who we are as individuals and the culture that rewards and punishes us all at the same time. I often tell my kids, “If you want to understand the universe, study Mathematics… but if you want to understand yourself, read the Classics!” It is truly a classic story of (arguably) the greatest superhero and partner created by DC Comics, but that’s a debate for another time. :)

    Loved the article.

    Sean

  2. kaseido says:

    Robin has also long represented the editorial view of the readers’ ideal self – from Dick Grayson’s cheerful innocence to Jason Todd’s street badassery to Tim Drake’s fanboy geekery to Stephanie Brown’s worldly insouciance to Damian’s helicopter-parented sense of entitlement.

    One might read from editorial’s treatment of the Robins their attitudes towards “kids these days” – which would make it unsurprising that the independent-minded Steph was treated so shabbily and replaced by Damian, who hero-worships his daddy.

  3. This article shows many interesting point of view. One of them is “Robin is transgender”. Wow! However, I admit that I’m not a fan of Batman or Robin. Perhaps, I prefer more drama story. I like Peter Parker, the spiderman.

    Also, I didn’t notice that Batman share some characteristic with Sherlock Holmes and the Zorro.