Fan Activism in a Networked Culture: The Case of Stargate SG-1

Last week, on the eve of its 200th episode, the Sci-Fi Channel announced that it would not be renewing Stargate SG-1, ending a run that extended across 10 seasons. The series began on Showtime, where it was canceled after five seasons, and then, as the result of fan activism, got picked up by the Sci-Fi Channel, where it ran another five season and spawned a successful sequel, Stargate: Atlantis.

One might imagine that the series was dying a natural death after a run which is far longer than the vast majority of series — science fiction or otherwise — in the history of American television or that the network and creative artists are performing a “mercy killing” of a series that might be well past its prime but as far as its most hardcore fans are concerned, the series is “not dead yet.” They are seeking to rally the troops one more time and their efforts to do so demonstrate the potentials for audience activism within networked culture.

The Modern Minutemen, er, Minutepersons?

The first thing that strikes you when you look at the fan community’s efforts to save SG-1 is the speed with which they were able to respond to the news of the series’ potential cancellation. The contemporary fan is a modern day minuteman — ready to respond at a moment’s notice to information that threatens their community, whether it is a cancellation notice or a cease and desist letter. Reader Sara Goetz, a graduate student from California, wrote me the day after the Sci-Fi Network announced its verdict with the following news:

The SG-1 fandom is no stranger to fan campaigns, having lobbied to bring back a beloved actor four years ago (with some question as to whether his return was their responsibility or his and the studio’s – I wasn’t in the fandom at the time and can’t do more than speculate). Additionally, with the recent cast additions of two actors from the late, lamented Farscape, a large number of fans have carried over and feel a strong sense of deja vu. As sci-fi fans are practically trained to do now, we moved into action as soon as the news broke yesterday afternoon. The experience of the past is informing the current action, and while I don’t know how much success SG-1 fans will achieve, we’ll certainly be heard.

This is a powerful illustration of a point I make in my new book, Convergence Culture: Where Old and New Media Collide:

As a fan community disbands, its members may move in many different directions, seeking out new spaces to apply their skills and new openings for their speculations and in the process, those skills spread to new communities and get applied to new tasks

In other words, each new campaign is not only important in its own right but also represents an educational opportunity that develops new skills and knowledge which will then inform all subsequent fan efforts. There’s a tendency for both academics and journalists to compartmentalize fandoms rather than seeing fandom as an interconnected network. Fans move between series and as they do so, knowledge gets transmitted from one fan community to another.

At the core of the fan community were seasoned veterans who knew what needed to be done and quickly rolled up their sleeves and took control over the situation. News of the network decision spread across discussion lists, fan websites, blogs, and Live Journal pages and as it did, people began weighing different tactics, collecting relevant information, and assigning tasks. This is a beautiful example of how knowledge communities work to pool resources and tap networks in order to achieve their goals. The striking thing is that there is no one approach being advocated here. The goal is to get the word out to as many different people as possible through as many different means as necessary. In that sense, fan communities are adhocracies not bureaucracy: some people have taken charge of different aspects of the process on a largely volunteer basis but no one is trying to control or orchestrate the movement as a whole.

Learning to Speak the Industry’s Language

One can see the consequences of this effort if one visits this site which has emerged as one of several central clearing house for people involved in the campaign. The first thing I notice here is a pretty savvy analysis of the factors which led to the show’s cancellation, one that shows a deep understanding of how and why networks make the decisions they do. The analysis factors in issues of demographics, scheduling, and audience behavior. Here’s some of what they say:

The complicated US Nielsen ratings system has baffled fan commentators on many genre shows. There may not be one single cause contributing to the ratings slide, but more likely a combination of factors, such as:

First, the SciFi Channel dismantled its three-hour SciFriday block of original programming – the showcase of the network. The airing of Stargate SG-1, Stargate Atlantis and Battlestar Galactica not only helped SciFi compete, but win tough Friday night ratings battles. This year, SciFi chose to hold back Battlestar Galactica, which won’t air until October 2006, reducing their three-hour block to a two-hour block of programming.

Any fan with Tivo or a VCR could have told the SciFi execs it’s common sense to watch the three-hour block and record the shorter two-hour block for convenient viewing later. Taking that third hour out of the equation removed an impetus to make SciFi the network to watch live on Friday nights.

An additional ratings factor is acknowledged by Mark Stern, SciFi Channel’s Executive Vice President of Original Programming. Interviewed by Mary McNamara for the May 8 issue of Multichannel News, Stern “believes some of the show’s tech-savvy, toy-loving, time-shifting audience gets missed in ratings compilations. ‘Part of it is the DVR,’ he explains, citing digital video recording devices. ‘Nielsen’s sampling is not representative of the larger universe yet. They’re sampling 3% and the larger [DVR] universe is something like 10 to 13%.”

Second, new timeslots for the shows have put Stargate SG-1 in direct competition with the cable ratings powerhouse Monk, and locked both SG-1 and Atlantis on SciFi in a head-to-head with Monk and strongly performing new show Psych on parent channel USA. Ironically, Bonnie Hammer is President of both the SciFi *and* USA networks!

The ratings of both Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis have dipped and there is no guarantee that without their strong lead-in, Battlestar Galactica will fare any better when it finally airs in October. With all the advantages of the original three-hour programming block behind it, its ratings were only on par with those of Stargate last season. No one can predict how it will perform solo. SciFi Channel’s Farscape was equally beloved of the critics but was unable to sustain a financially viable audience.

Such fan analysis does important work as a form of informal media literacy education — teaching consumers how network television reaches its decisions and what kinds of arguments will be effective at getting them to reverse course. The fans have monitored trade press discourse and reached out to sources into the production company and have some awareness of the conflicting interests between the network and the production company, offering their own views on the negotiations that impact the economic viability of the series.

At another site, one can see a range of potential tactics identified — including addresses for key decision makers and suggestions that a strong sign of support for digital downloads may help them demonstrate their clout through the marketplace. A major argument has been that the series fans are so tech savvy that their numbers may not be adequately counted by the Nielsen Ratings which tend to only measure viewers who watch the broadcast as it is aired and not those who watch it via digital recorders or downloads.

Mobilizing the World

The second thing one notices is the international nature of the fan response with the site including templates in many different languages — from Spanish to Croatian — that fans in those countries can use as models for writing letters to key decision-makers. The Sci-Fi Network may have made its decisions in part in response to declines in viewership in the United States but because the series is internationally syndicated, the decision will impact fans world wide. Fans in many different countries are working together to respond to the program’s cancellation, exerting pressure not only directly on the network and production company but also through the networks in their own country which air the series. The coordination of these efforts across different nations (not to mention languages) suggests the global composition of most online fandoms.

Grassroots creative artists — who might otherwise turn their attention to the development of fan fiction and fan art — are deploying their skills towards supporting the save the series campaign. The resource page lists an array of different materials designed to get the word out to the fan base.

Downloading for the Cause

More generally, you can see the fans are deploying such social networking sites and web 2.0 applications as MySpace and Flickr as tools for identifying potential supporters and pulling them into the cause. They also recommend using Bittorrent and other peer-to-peer technologies to identify fans that are downloading the series and solicit them for the cause. They write:

many fans are savvy when it comes to the P2P file sharing power of bittorrent. Whatever your personal stance on the legalities of downloading episodes via torrent, there’s no denying their popularity.

This is particularly true for overseas fans who aren’t hurting the ratings of first-run episodes of the show in the US, and who might not get to see the current season for a year or two.

We could turn the power of peer-to-peer file sharing to information sharing. Check out the busy torrent sites such as Mininova, IsoHunt [which links many other torrent sites from its database],TorrentSpy, TV Torrents, #eztv @ EFNET.

Wherever you see a Stargate-related download, jump in and make a comment about the cancellation of the show and the paramount importance of:

(1) watching episodes LIVE

(2) spreading word of the cancellation as widely as possible on and offline

(3) pointing people to this website for more information.

(4) pointing to the $1.99 legal downloads for US fans from iTunes!

Often, there are thousands of downloaders for Stargate episodes and people will check comments in case there’s anything nasty in the file they’re saving.

This approach shows recognition of the potential of such sites for social networking as well as the ways that illegal downloads may render invisible the level of interest in the series.

All told, both the tactics and the analysis behind it shows an extremely sophisticated understanding of the current media landscape and the various points by which grassroots communities may leverage their power to exert pressure on corporate stakeholders in the series. Activists of all ilk can learn a lot by dissecting how these guys are approaching their effort to save their favorite series. As a long time fan, I can’t help but contrast this with the now relatively primitive snail-mail efforts that kept Star Trek alive in the 1960s: new media has given fans a lot more resources to mobilize in a roughly similar situation.

I have limited personal stakes in this particular series. Ironically, the Sci-Fi channel is not available in the MIT dorm where I live so I have only seen a few episodes. Be that as it may, I am really going to be interested to see how this campaign takes shape and what, if any impact, it may have.


  1. Jake Lockley says:

    You are always a joy to read. I have worked on both sides of the fence – in Hollywood as a fan’s man on the inside as well as Hollywood’s man inside on the fan community as the internet gave way to the commercialization of the web. Yes, I am a fan of Stargate SG-1, but not involved with the show or the Sci-Fi Channel.

    While the efforts of the fans are admirable, this time around things are a bit different. Most shows that go through a save the show campaign fight a simple battle – it’s a war of attrition – if the numbers of people who want the show can demonstrate they are financially worth bringing the show back — especially if that show is young and cheap — then it’s more likely to happen. There are other more important issues involved though, specifically realitionships and deals with talent.

    Actors leave because they get bored or typecast, studios like revolving casts because it keeps the costs down, the older the show the higher the production costs all around. That and the people are all making syndication money, so they are on easy street and don’t have to work crazy hours anymore. So in the case of SG-1, the people on the show may ultimately be what prevents it from coming back – unless they work cheap. They are in a position where they could get rid of the oldest stars, which I’m sure is why Atlantis is sticking around. And they did actually address all of the traditional options on the episode 200 (which was brilliant in and of itself).

    In the end I think fans won’t be able to overcome the cost of the show without making some sacrifices. Having said that, knowing how good the creators of Stargate SG-1 are, I bet they could keep on creating shows using tge old tricks and because of their relationship with the fans could probably get away with it. As long as the writing stays as good as it has always been, I’ll watch religiously.

  2. Gwyneth Brain says:

    First, wow. Henry Jenkins commenting on my lil’ part of fandom. I’ve got one of your books, have had it since I was about 16 and is now well read and worn.

    In anycase. Yes, one of the big things is getting the word out to other fans. To those in the US so they can tune in live and get the ratings up, to those abroad so they can help out in any other way. It’s also important to try and understand the politics behind the cancelation, so you can try and use the loop holes, or bend it to your aims. For example, we know MGM is pro-SG1 and would continue the show if it could. We know Sci-Fi wants to cancel it, but wont release MGM from a clause in the contract and thus allow another US television network to help produce the show. Knowing that, we can take action we might not other wise take, we know who to target and how to target them.

    It’s also a matter of being, well, a fully fledged community. We have the anylists/academics, we have the artists, the writters, the programers, the organisers. We have members who are also members of other communities to help out and give advice. One part of the campain focuses more on this, another part of the campain on that. It’s not about stepping on toes, but working for the common good.

    You mentioned the interlocking nature of individual fandoms, and how it can create a sort of overal, more general fandom. A person may belong to more than one at any time, though they tend to be active in only a few at any one time, and when something like this happens, focus tightens. But, point is, you have people who were in the Farscape and Firefly campains. Scapers and Brown Coats are widly respected in the sci-fi fandom. They were organised, they worked hard and didn’t let any one take the sky from them – and they won. A mini series and a movie. Yes, there were other factors but lets face it, Joss Whedon himself thanked the Brown Coats and the Scapers managed to get a buisness corperation on their side due to sponsorship. Their advice and experience is highly valued, and one of the first things we did as a fandom was ask them for help and advice.

    It’s also useful to not alow yourself to be blind to the show’s faults. You may love it, it may have a lot of emotional and sentimental value to you, you may find it interesting and a universe worth exploring and holding on to with all your might but…. it’s not perfect. And being blind to this isn’t going to help anyone, and just make things harder.

    And I’ll go now. But, I just wanted to put my two pennies in, from over here in England. I’d buy the iTunes downloads myself, tried to actually, but not being in the US was unable to do so. Which seems some what daft but, there you go. I’ll do my part with the artists, making postcards and so on. And thank you, sir, for this entry.

  3. I wanted to thank you for such a gratifying endorsement of the tactics being employed by the Save Stargate SG-1 campaign.

    My name is Alison Butler; I’m a college librarian from the north-east of England.

    I was one of the steerers of the Save Daniel Jackson campaign and the webmaster of the SDJ website throughout that campaign.

    I’m the owner of Stargate SG-1 Solutions and the author of that “pretty savvy” analysis you idenitfy above.

    I started the Save Stargate SG-1 website this week, with the aid of another Stargate fan, Nathan from Aus, who so generously gave up his own Save SG-1 site to help focus fan efforts.

    I wrote the campaign tactics you reference while Nathan worked on the resources we’re continuing to add to.

    Francy is our international co-ordinator and Italian translator.

    The fans who’ve joined the campaign’s Yahoo group and webmasters of other established Stargate sites in different languages and countries have rallied to help in any way they can, contributing resources and translations.

    I brought experience of successful fan campaigning to the table, and knowing what needed to be done, gave up sleep, grafted, and did it. It took only five days to pull together a site that draws on all I learned from a year-long Save Daniel Jackson campaign, which was one of the first to reach outside of online fandom and into the industry through ads in Hollywood Reporter and Variety among others.

    I read your article today with considerable interest and I tend to agree with the thrust of your arguments.

    While the return of Michael Shanks to Stargate SG-1 was the ultimate outcome of the SDJ campaign, that campaign in and of itself became global news. Our goals and our tactics were reported in broadsheets from Los Angeles to London to Sydney. We were perhaps the first fan campaign taken seriously – a touchstone of sorts, with all the benefits of zeitgeist.

    There was another outcome from the SDJ campaign, one that the studio, the producers and the network should be thanking us for.

    The SDJ campaigners faced an uphill battle from the beginning. We knew the importance of getting word out to offline fans, but publications like TV Guide wouldn’t even print a letter on the viewers’ page. Stargate SG-1 was too small a show, they told us, even with the coverage in, the article by journalist Mary McNamara that made the campaign as much of a phenomenon as the cause.

    Michael Shanks’ return to the show, after that year long campaign reached out of online fandom and into the Hollywood watercooler culture, prompted TV Guide to write an article and put Shanks and Richard Dean Anderson on their cover.

    For those fans of the show who couldn’t get this magazine to even print a viewer letter at the start of the SDJ campaign, to showcasing the return of the actor/character on the cover at the end of it – now that’s an achievement.

    Save Stargate SG-1 is benefiting hugely from the groundwork laid by the Save Daniel Jackson campaign. This time around, Stargate SG-1 is news. Multichannel News, CNN, Yahoo, New York Times, Washington Post, Chicago Tribune, TV Guide, BBC – they’re all covering the story, they’re all driving traffic to the site and fans to the campaign.

    With the advent of blogging, rss feeds, LiveJournal as well as the traditional Yahoo lists, forums and Bboards, sharing information and pooling resources has become second nature. It’s an organic response, with new information spreading through the online social network at lightning speed. No one individual site can possibly keep up with developments, but the *network* can. This international co-operation you reference draws as much on my professional experience as a multi-site librarian; I’m comfortable with the notion of a hub, the facilitation and support of individual efforts and identities through information sharing and communication. It translates perfectly to the web. It’s not the place of any one individual or site associated with the campaign to decry the creativity and efforts of another. There’s also pragmatic recognition that the comfort level of the individual fan will vary widely; for those who won’t write a letter or make a call, you need options in place to guarantee their participation. The campaign hub that has evolved in this past week gives those options.

    One final point you raise is that SciFi Channel’s decision impacts fans worldwide. I’m British, Nathan is Australian, Francy is Italian, our core of volunteers come from all over the world. Why should we lose our show because of the poor decisions of a remote [and ungrateful] US network? Stargate is doing well in our countries. We don’t care to be held hostage to American ratings fortune.

    Thank you for your article and your time, Professor Jenkins.

  4. Bernard Jones says:

    Hi i just can not under stand why SCIFI UK are cancelling Stargate SG-1 it is such a grate series can not believe it i have seen every episode up to now and will so miss it. is one program that bring to gether so many different nationalist

  5. kieran wollacott says:

    i just wanna say stargate is one of the best shows ever and i hope it gets renewed.

  6. Wendy Drury says:

    There was a semi-revamp on SG1 in season 9 where new characters (Ben Browder, Claudia Black, Beau Bridges) were brought in. These new characters are just now taking hold and giving the writers new opportunities for fresh ideas. Most fans would agree that this season has been one of the best in several years.

    SciFi has gone out of its way to cancel this show, by pitting it against USA’s #1 show, Monk (which is also run by SciFi president, Bonnie Hammer), and giving the terrible “Night Stalker” remake series the prime lead-in to SG1. Double whammy if there ever was one.

    I hope enough fans get on board to save this show. There aren’t enough “intelligent” shows on TV.

  7. Jake Fuller says:

    Is this really an example of a fan-led campaign or just a studio-directed publicity stunt using the power of fan-led campaigns?

    Unlike SDJ, which was very much a case of fans versus studios, this campaign seems to be about the fans siding with one studio against another and it’s certainly making people within the fandom wonder just how much of a grass-roots movement it really is…

    The people from within the fandom who are running this, after all, are people who have close ties with the studio – one even runs the semi-official website for the show – and are ideally placed to be ‘directed’ by people from within MGM or Bridge, rather than responding to the views of the fandom as a whole (if such a thing were possible).

  8. Kate Ellis says:

    What you identify in your piece as “fan analysis” is, in fact, a summary of ideas posted on fan forums combined with information provided by the real power behind this “campaign”, namely MGM/Bridge Studios.

    Not only is this a studio-directed campaign, its goals are so many and so diverse that it cannot fail. To quote: “an 11th season, movies or miniseries, via TV, direct to DVD, groundbreaking online distribution or download service”.

    We’ve already been told there will be tv movies to wrap up the show, so why are these people are campaigning for something they know they will get?

    It’s unrealistic to think the show could be funded by online distribution of episodes, so why are they so keen for people to buy episodes on iTunes?

    It’s worth remembering that several Gateworld “staffers” are paid by MGM. Their campaign will provide extra sales and also free publicity for the projected spinoff show they are carefully avoiding mentioning here. As fans running websites which survive on tidbits provided by MGM and the Stargate writers, they also stand to gain by keeping in favour with “The Powers That Be”.

    There is another factor in play here, one which affects many fan campaigns; the desire for “Big Name Fan” status. This internet campaign provides publicity not only for MGM, but also for a failing website: Solutions has been in decline for some time and recently shut down its forum due to lack of interest. Fans visiting the campaign site are encouraged to donate money “to help us run Google adwords alerting fans to the cancellation and directing them to visit this site”. In other words, the main objective is to publicise the website – not that we can check how they spend our money since a private campaign is not obligated to publish accounts.

    I love my show but I have better ways to save it than giving money to publicity-hungry fans. I want to save Stargate, not provide media buzz for a spinoff show which may not even feature the original actors.

    SDJ had a single goal by which its success could be measured. When someone produces an honest plan for saving Stagate SG-1 I’ll be on board, but this is not it.

  9. Professor Jenkins, thank you very much for your insight.

    I’m one of the Save Stargate SG-1 campaign steerers, and probably the one alluded to in the previous comment. Yep, we maintain good relations with the studio that owns the show and the studio that produces it. Yep, we’re siding with them against the network.

    Why? Because the studios want our favorite show to continue; the network cancelled it. There is no cloak and dagger mystery there.

    But in Jake’s implication, there is another insight into your original analysis: Studios usually love the fan campaigns that spring up around their shows, and for obvious reasons. When does a fan campaign cease to be a grassroots movement and start to be a covert publicity arm that is bought and paid for? Or does it matter, in the final analysis?

    My opinion is that the studio can throw all the support that they want at our campaign, talk it up to the press, and use it as another feather in the show’s cap. That’s why we are here, after all — to be noticed and to be heard so that the show’s future might be positively influenced. So long as the campaign is conducted by fans for all the right reasons — and not by a marketing firm taking a paycheck from the studio to manufacture a “grassroots” product — it’s a product of fandom.

  10. Bob Lewis says:

    That a senior executive producer at Bridge studios regularly provides the Solutions site with insider information and ‘titbits’, is not conclusive proof that the site is being guided in its present campaign by the studio. However, it is true to say that once the very successful SDJ campaign ended — a wholly grassroots inspired movement — and the Solutions site came fully under the direction of the present webmistress, its independent status and editorial policy has been regarded by many in fandom as compromised, owing to its studio links and close relationship with an MGM merchandiser.

    As for the official Gateworld site, with staffers paid by MGM.

    Owner Darren posted the following: ‘When does a fan campaign cease to be a grassroots movement and start to be a covert publicity arm that is bought and paid for? Or does it matter, in the final analysis?’

    Yes, with all due respect, Darren, it does matter. You are asking fans not only for their time but for their money. They deserve that the campaign they are working for is exactly what they believe it to be and not tainted by outside influences of which they are unaware.

  11. Rob Taylor says:

    My name is Rob Taylor

    I am a Software Development manager in Ottawa Canada. I am a contributing moderator for the website, and I am in no way affiliated with any television station or production company.

    I am volunteering my time, and donating my money because I love Stargate, and I want to see it continue. Now I have my own opinions on what is really going on at Sci-Fi and MGM but you can read that in my editorials. My point here is that I frankly don’t care who is behind this and why. I simply want to ensure that my favorite show will see a season 11

    If you think that there is some nefarious plot behind this, and you are willing to see SG-1 slip away because you think the Studio is manipulating you, that is your choice. I for one am not willing to take that chance. I have seen far FAR to many of my favorite shows disappear due to fan apathy, and I believe that inaction in this case, no matter what the reasoning will amount to exactly the same thing. The loss of SG-1

    I will not sit quietly by and watch SG-1 die, for any reason!

  12. It’s worth remembering that several Gateworld “staffers” are paid by MGM. Their campaign will provide extra sales and also free publicity for the projected spinoff show they are carefully avoiding mentioning here.

    This is so frought with error that I do not know where to begin. No staffer or volunteer at GateWorld is paid by MGM. I once was, many moons ago, as a freelance writer, entirely unrelated to my own site.

    While I (and I suspect many campaign participants) would love to see a third Stargate series down the road, it’s not being advocated right now because it’s not what the campaign is about. This is about SG-1. At the end of the day, all the campaign is about is making our voices heard that we want more SG-1 in some form.

  13. There is a strong implication here that having any connection, official or unofficial, with the studio that produces a show in some way taints a fan campaign, makes its motives suspect and its true purpose nefariously shrouded. I’m curious to hear why that is, from those who believe that to be true.

    If fans and the studio agree on what they want, does that automatically make anything a fan does beholden to the corporate entity? If so, everyone had better stop writing letters now and let the show go quietly into the night. We wouldn’t want to appear complicit with the cast, crew, and writers of our favorite program.

  14. Rob Taylor says:

    I spoke to Alison over at Solutions on this subject, and this is what she told me.

    “Solutions DOES NOT and never has had studio affiliations. We’ve

    supported the auctions run by Legends Memorabilia (a Canadian company)

    as a service to fans but that’s as far as it goes. I’m really offended

    that anyone would accuse Solutions of being studio affiliated. We’re a

    fan site, by and for fans. We don’t carry banners, we don’t carry

    advertising, we don’t get fees from Amazon, we don’t make a penny off

    the site, and we’re proudly independent. There’s a reason we’re known

    as the site of many voices, and that was because we started out as the

    campaign headquarters for Save Daniel Jackson – a site of dissent

    against the studio. Our mission then was to give a voice to

    disenfranchised Daniel Jackson fans and our mission remains to give

    Stargate fans a voice online. Fans, not the studio! ”

    Everything that I have seen from Alison, and heard about her from others tells me that she is a good person, and a loyal Stargate fan. I personally believe her.

  15. Excuse me, but Solutions is not the “campaign headquarters” for Save Daniel Jackson. That has always been and remains at the same URL where it has *always* been: A site that is still active, in existence, has a news blog, and serves as a hub for several very active sites.

  16. Cathy Mackie says:

    I can’t believe it! In my opinion this is a case of killing the golden goose for more gold. Well here’s a news flash for scifi. I’m 55, a college graduate and I will never watch wrestling. If I drop the scifi channel it will hurt them more than it will hurt me. that’s the beauty of voting with your pocket book.

  17. I find it interesting that Cathy evokes the pro wrestling content on Sci Fi in this partiuclar situation. So far, Sci Fi has treated the one hour a week it has dedicated to pro wrestling as a ratings booster for the network, not affecting any other programming while giving a boost to the overall weekly ratings for the network.

    By the way, I’m 23, a college graduate, and I will probably always watch wrestling. 🙂 The problem with wrestling fans, at least for networks, is that they have affiliations with their particular content instead of the network, which means that wrestling fans probably tune in for ECW on Tuesdays, watch their show, and then tune back out, by and large.

  18. Roger Kinneth, Jr says:

    Now that we know that site of is Tainted, what other sites can we use? There’s other honest and sincere people, so which sites to help keep Stargate are good then?

  19. There are many honest SG fans out there.

    However the people backing definitely have alterior interests. Nathan is the Network Tech of SABIC NETcorporation of Penrith Plaza,NSW in Sydney Australia, 011 61 04 0477-2094 and is involved in the company hosting a computergame site which he runs involving the theme of STARGATE and Alliance with MGM, which would receive direct benefit from orchestrating a campaign of increased fans and publicity, including memberships, and ADclick revenues.

  20. Dude, you need to mellow out. Just because people didn’t appreciate you barrelling in and trying to boss everyone around like a whack-job doesn’t mean you need to lash out at the campaign, which wants nothing more than for the show to continue.

  21. Gwyneth Brain says:

    Heya, me again.

    I’ve come back to read the comments and, wow, some of the implications around here! I’m on the savestargatesg1 mailing list on Yahoo as well as the Live Journal, and I’m now one of the Steerers on the mailing list.

    Where are the people getting the idea that MGM comes down from upon high and demands of us, and we then try and manipulate everyone to follow? That is, to be frank, a bunch of BS.

    Now it’s true that MGM is on our side, but how is that a bad thing? The entire point of the campaign is to get the officials, ‘The Powers That Be’ to see our point of view and save the show. Ergo, how is MGM’s position a bad thing? Yes we want them to do everything they can to make it continue, hopefully as a TV show, and yes we send them letters saying this, but no we are not under their wings.

    A key thing in all this is to get media attention, it’s important. And doing so is a victory, and should be seen as such rather than an insinuation against our honour and honesty.

    We are doing this for the sake of the show, to get it to continue. Not for any personal profit, not for any gain, not because some character from the X-Files has accused us of things. We are not the rogue NID. We are good people trying to do what fandom wants to be done.

    It takes time, it takes money, it takes campaigning and gaining the interest of the media. Its aim is to get both the studio and the networks to see our way. That half the battle is pretty much done all ready simply helps the situation.

    Yes there are many SG-1 fans out there, and that’s brilliant, but it means more if we’re organised and work together.

    I am being a bit repetitive, but I’m trying to make a point.

    We are not the bad guys, we are simply trying to save the show we love, and not let it go quietly into the night.

  22. D. Bencomo says:

    The SG-1 cancellation is recent news to me. I haven’t had much chance for discourse with other fans, due to time spent at a Cornell dorm these past few months. The fact that we had one television to share for the entire floor was one of the big reasons I viewed the episodes through downloads. While I can’t speak for everyone, while on leave at my Miami residence (with full access to television) I would only tune in to Sci-Fi for SG-1 — watching BSG and Atlantis stemmed from the fact they were bundled together. To be honest, I watch Atlantis only because it ties in to the Stargate mythos; not for its merit as a stand alone show. With the absence of SG-1, I strongly believe the Atlantis ratings will plummet, presumably leading to its eventually demise and rebirth in syndication, which frankly is unacceptable. While I realize the big motivator for “the powers that be” is the financial aspect, pushing a subpar show simply to fatten their pocketbooks is deplorable.

    Sci-Fi is apparently hoping the BSG series is strong enough to get them through this, but again, with SG-1 gone, they’ve lost a powerhouse in their block of programming. Pardon my ignorance, but would I be correct in assuming BSG’s move to a Sunday time slot starting in Jan. is so that it won’t have to compete with shows like Monk that are owned by the same parent company? I apologize if some of the this is incorrect and would appreciate clarification or even discussion on the issue.

    Even if MGM racks in most of the money from SG-1, Sci-Fi can’t possibly hope to rest on the laurels of its Sci-Fi Original Movies; i’ve seen one or two and that was it for me. They are all rehashes of the same B-movie concept, some ill begotten “monster,” in Sci-Fi’s case ranging from killer piranhas to mangy sabertooths killing off a cast of no-names only to be killed themselves in some implausible fashion.

    I’m particularly disappointed whenever I see a poster on XYZ forums saying: “It has been a good 10 years, its time to put SG-1 to rest.” I could not disagree more, and to me, thats throwing in the white towel. Yes, I consider SG-1 lucky in that its had such a long run, but that is no reason to give up. Ten years to me means a more dedicated fanbase willing to take extra steps to save it. Heck, look at Firefly — a run of one (incomplete) season and it was able to get its own movie. Despite the success of the Brown Coats, I’m hoping SG-1 fans won’t settle for just two movies. There was a sense of finality when I saw Serenity in theaters, especially after they killed off two of the main characters. As I walked out, bristling with exuberance at a job well done, I couldn’t help but lament the fact there would be no more of that universe coming to life on either the small or big screen. SG-1 for me has been part of my routine for such a long time. Come Friday, i’d either catch it live or download it shortly thereafter. I looked forward to it. I can’t picture that same sense of finality when the two movies are put out, and I sure as hell hope the fan community will be as successful in continuing Stargate as a spin-off with the same cast — I firmly believe SG-1 ended with the defeat of the Goa’uld — as the SDJ campaign.

    Something I’d also like to bring up; Friends, despite its huge popularity came to an end partly because the actors wished to move on, and i’ve seen similar logic used in SG-1’s cancellation. However, with Sci-Fi so seemingly hellbent on going through with this course of action, its pretty obvious this isn’t the case here.